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Old July 7th, 2005, 10:50 PM
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I'm glad to see that they're doing the research, though. We've made progress; to me that means we're learning something from it, and it's not a complete waste of money.

I totally agree. Any way from oil is a positive thing. People sometimes forget that oil doesnt just go into our cars, it goes into nearly everything we make today. All plastics, which means your soda bottles, your food packaging, your cars, heck even 70% of our freaking PC's are plastic. We really need to look at other options, perhaps not just fusion. In fact, nuclear is a great source...
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i disagree - it's the same general type of energy creation - heat boils water which turns a turbine. Nuclear just puts out less pollution but it doesn't improve efficiency or remove the need for renewing the energy source. fusion has to be fed with hydrogen. how is hydrogen made? one way is electrolosys of water...which takes (you guessed it) electricity! Something ive learned in physics class..you can't just "create" energy....so fusion either will never work, or these scientists really know their stuff. (I personally feel that we should have never gone way from antimatter). And plastic, apart from oil, is renewable - it can be melted down and cleaned and made into new products.
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Makes more sense why they are spending billions in space and planet exploration as well. They're probably hoping to find some magical unlimited supply of some source of energy; or maybe they're looking to find a new home once we destroy the earth...
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Nuclear just puts out less pollution but it doesn't improve efficiency or remove the need for renewing the energy source.

Ya nuclear does improve effeciency. In fact, by re-using old nuclear waste again, effeciency can go as high as 90%!

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Something ive learned in physics class..you can't just "create" energy....so fusion either will never work, or these scientists really know their stuff. (I personally feel that we should have never gone way from antimatter).

Problem is, antimatter is VERY volatile, and very hard to create/work with. The development costs would be staggering.

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And plastic, apart from oil, is renewable - it can be melted down and cleaned and made into new products.

Ah ha, yes thats true but you have to consider. How to melt it down? Heat, which takes energy to create. So you will get some more life out of it but you are still spending even more energy to recycle...

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The development costs would be staggering.


as opposed to how expensive nuclear fusion is??

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Makes more sense why they are spending billions in space and planet exploration as well. They're probably hoping to find some magical unlimited supply of some source of energy; or maybe they're looking to find a new home once we destroy the earth...


do some research on a man named nikola tesla - infinite energy sources have been discovered already my friend.

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I did a quick google search on Tesla, and found his views on the DC motor... quite interesting, lol. I guess I'll have to dig a little further.

Just yesterday, I watched a program on the History Channel, called something like, Doomsday Technology. It was about shit that we've invented that could kill us all. They talked first about nukes obviously, but reported that we've disassembled some 58,000 in the US already or there abouts. And then the next thing they discussed was our dependance on oil... Pretty freaky that they consider that a doomsday technology. Sure we didn't invent oil, but we invented everything we rely on to run off of it. I thought that was pretty crazy. They did say there have been some great advances in our forms of energy production, like wind and solar. I think it was like England, or somehwere, gets 25% of their energy from wind, that's pretty good. They said they hoped to get 50% from wind by like 2035 or something. They also said that the amount of energy absorbed by the earth from the sun in one day, could fuel the planet for a year... That's a lot of energy. If we could harness that, we would be set. Obviously many other things rely on that energy already like plants, but there's most likely plenty to go around.

O yea, one more thing they said about oil. The burning of the fossil fuels has been poluting our planet so greatly in the past century, that the green house effect / global warming could become very dangerous. They said the temperature of the earth has been steadily rising for years, causing the ice caps and glaciers to melt, which in turn could stop this natural flow of the salt water ocean. The water flows north at the top of the ocean from the equator up to antartica, and then drops to the bottom of the ocean and flows back towards to equator, in a big cycle. They said if enough fresh water from the melting glaciers mixes into the salt water, it could prevent the flow to drop to the bottom of the ocean to flow back towards the equator. If that happens, the flow would stop, and the warm water from the equator wouldn't be brought up north to like the northern parts of Europe, which in turn could cause the cold from antartica to move down, causing an ice age for parts of the world...

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Yay For Oil!!

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I almost feel ashamed to be driving my truck, knowing it's harming the planet and furthering our oil crisis. Man, I'm starting to sound like a tree hugger...

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Well hey....on the tangent of the earth's power....if most of our power comes from making water boil and pushing it through a turbine....why not create power plants on active volcanoes? Instant boiler.

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Well take Europe and Canada for example, can u find any volcanoes there?, or can u findthem close to populated areas?, No.

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Saudi size fields in US

There maybe more oil than the majors think ,at 15000 feet.. Check out this Claim:

Eden Energy Corp.
http://www.edenenergycorp.com/index.php

Ely Times- Eden Energy seeks oil near Ely
http://www.elynews.com/archive/2005/07/15/LocalNews/324444.html

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