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Then there is fossil fuels. I just can't wait for there to be none left so we can stop bitching about it and start burning hydrogen. Relying on other countries for such important ressources is stupid, both politically and economically, not to mention the environmental effects that it has. Hydrogen in oxygen makes water. Carbon chains in oxygen makes water and CO2 and other bad acidic crap. Really, just burn hydrogen and all our problems would go away... Besides, it's probably best served making plastics anyways.


I agree somewhat.. I certainly do not look foward to oil running out, as not all plastics are recycable. What we should do, is start using disposable plastic items (supermarket bags and shit) made of plastics derived from corn.
Although ideas like that seem stupid, this is just a result of our culture.

Just too burst your bubble, in an effort to achieve greater efficiency, and to fufil the "joe six pack" urge for beefy cars, hydrogen based fuels will probably be filled with other pollutants, probably something nastily acidic.
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I don't forsee hydrogen being used as a fuel. Sure fuel cells work, but the pressures they have to be compressed into a liquid to be usable are enormous...and when a gas is compressed into a liquid, it evaporates even in a sealed container. Liquid N is a good example of such a thing. Solar panels work - it's just that people haven't quite gotten the possibilities of einstein's Photoelectric effect (driving force in teh panels). What may be interesting to do is (if) they build that space elevator, run a giant superconducting cable through the center of it, put solar panels into space, and power the earth with such a cable.
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Although it seems like a good idea, those drawbacks are significant. the problem is that at the moment, using non-renewable sources of energy is still cheaper than using renewable ones.


Yes it's cheaper at the moment, but think of how much has been spent and will continue to be spent fighting wars over the last few drops of oil. That cost comes to even more still when you come to the point in time when oil has all but run out and the world has done nothing to prepare for a transition to something else. Then, instead of having 30 years of research and implementation under your belt, it all has to be done in 5 or the very threads of society are severed.

I don't care what the alternative is, or how its accomplished, as long as it isn't something like coal, which is even worse for the environment than oil, or something that might have unforseen consequences, like hydrogen--which is why I think solar should become a priority.

Yeah, I didn't think about the corrosiveness of sand...but whoever said "put enough money into a problem and it WILL be solved" is right. I'd rather see that money put to use now, before I have to start paying taxes to fund it

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Just too burst your bubble, in an effort to achieve greater efficiency, and to fufil the "joe six pack" urge for beefy cars, hydrogen based fuels will probably be filled with other pollutants, probably something nastily acidic.


Huh? Rockets burn hydrogen fuel because it burns really well and produces a lot of power... If we were to start mixing it, it would do nothing but dilute it... Joe Six Pack can happily drive along with a hydrogen filled car and get his power :-) And while the evaporation may be a problem, I don't know how fast this stuff evaporates... I'm sure it would all be gone by the end of a year, but again, how long it takes, I don't know. I forsee hydrogen being the solution to our problems. It is in effect, if we can get past a couple of hurdles, the "perfect fuel".
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"the perfect fuel"...sounds slightly like an oxymoron. I still say research tesla. He knew what he was doing - and so did the people who made machines that do similar things.

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I'll be a killjoy for a moment...What happens when the levels of Hydrogen is the atmosphere start to rise?
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Yes it's cheaper at the moment, but think of how much has been spent and will continue to be spent fighting wars over the last few drops of oil. That cost comes to even more still when you come to the point in time when oil has all but run out and the world has done nothing to prepare for a transition to something else. Then, instead of having 30 years of research and implementation under your belt, it all has to be done in 5 or the very threads of society are severed.

I don't care what the alternative is, or how its accomplished, as long as it isn't something like coal, which is even worse for the environment than oil, or something that might have unforseen consequences, like hydrogen--which is why I think solar should become a priority.

Yeah, I didn't think about the corrosiveness of sand...but whoever said "put enough money into a problem and it WILL be solved" is right. I'd rather see that money put to use now, before I have to start paying taxes to fund it


Which brings us back to Nuclear power being the best option....

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That was a hypothetical situation which I think would be quite likley, the problem with capatalism is freedom, business's often ignore mistakes of the past, and should they stumble upon a solution (was going to say catalyst but that would be technically incorrect) which was able to increase the speed, acceleration and handling of the car, which also polluted (pollution does not have to be C02 emmisions) such gases like sulpher, we'd merely have a new problem on our hands.
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hydrogen is flammable, so when the levels start to rise, the hydrogen will combust, forming water. no harm done

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At the moment nuclear is, but I still think that solar is our best bet in the long run: it carries absolutely no risk. No risk of meltdown, no risk of improper disposal, no risk of in the future, humans not understanding the "Hazardous Waste" signs at Yucca Mountain and breaking into the container of all our radioactive waste. (Although that is an extreme example...just slightly.)

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