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Maybe if the media stopped making it all dramatic and showing it for 5 days straight in row after the events took place. People won't think much of it.

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Maybe if the media stopped making it all dramatic and showing it for 5 days straight in row after the events took place. People won't think much of it.

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People should think much of it. It's truely a sad thing of my generation. My dad went to the same high school as me. Back when he went they shot trap in gym class. He used to bring his own shotgun. He'd carry the shotgun in its case through the hallways and had his pocket buldging with shells. Now if I were to walk down the same hallway with a BB gun I would most likely have the school cop (which they never had) with his gun drew on me and he'd be telling me to get on the ground.

It pisses me off that they try to get the gun away and then take the person into custody. I personally think if the person refuses to put the gun after 1 time being told to do so they should be shot dead right on the spot. It would save a lot more lives and it might be a deterrent for other sick assholes who think of pulling the same shit.

Let me put it this way. In metal class we can no longer make hunting knives. They're also thinking of getting rid of archery in gym class even though it's cheap plastic bows and arrows.

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Your first bit I have to disagree *unless you typo "should" with "shouldn't"* but the rest I would have to agree.

Its all done in "FEAR" because the media makes a big deal out of it.
Not only that but people that do the school shootings, Either have problems with themselves or their lives; OR They think its cool and they want the attention. They will make a big deal until they get heard.

The media picks up on it and then starts making it even a bigger deal. Once that happens groups like MAVAV or THE NRA and people like Jack Thompson or Hilary Clinton will want to Blame it on Video Games, movies, and the stuff on Television. The NRA will want to protest and say the schools need guns to control kids now. The list goes on.

I believe that You are allowed to have guns for sport *I.E: gun range/target practice* Or to hunt *I.E killing something for food and not for sport* thats fine. The right to bare arms that fine too, just one problem it will be awhile before we get invaded. Having a Gun collection for a hobby thats fine too. But its the parents responsibility to do the gun control. They are suppose to have it in a gun cabinet with a lock in the trigger and its ammo locked away. Having it stored in a closet or the garage without any form of a trigger lock is just irresponsible.

You're right tho its sad to see school classes being cut because of the potential threat posed by it. So more kids sit in the classrooms getting fat then going outside and learning something new.
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[/QUOTE=Mad Profesor]Its all done in "FEAR" because the media makes a big deal out of it.[/QUOTE]
Come on, it is a big deal with or without media. It's about violence which is tolerated and is socially acceptable behaviour. Kids imitate their role models and if parents, friends etc. are violent kids will be too. Everytime when you say (for those who have not children "will say") "I'll kick somebody's ass" for whatever reason, in front of kids, remember that it affects them more than you think, they will immitate that pattern and they will be violent. Kids allways experiment what they are allowed to do and what they are not allowed to do (OK, we experiment whole life , but kids do it more often) and if they see someone violent in their enviroment, they will test if it is allowed for them to be violent.
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A friend of mine actually asked if teachers should be allowed to carry arms to defend themselves.

I think that it's a sad thing that the question hould even come up.

For the record, I said no... if the teacher is that fearful of attack, then they can wear armor-- last thing we need is a two-way gunfight in a school, especially if a teacher (someone who is supposed to be nurturing, not injuring a student) is one of the gunmen.
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Your first bit I have to disagree *unless you typo "should" with "shouldn't"* but the rest I would have to agree.

Its all done in "FEAR" because the media makes a big deal out of it.
Not only that but people that do the school shootings, Either have problems with themselves or their lives; OR They think its cool and they want the attention. They will make a big deal until they get heard.

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I believe that You are allowed to have guns for sport *I.E: gun range/target practice* Or to hunt *I.E killing something for food and not for sport* thats fine. The right to bare arms that fine too, just one problem it will be awhile before we get invaded. Having a Gun collection for a hobby thats fine too. But its the parents responsibility to do the gun control. They are suppose to have it in a gun cabinet with a lock in the trigger and its ammo locked away. Having it stored in a closet or the garage without any form of a trigger lock is just irresponsible.

You're right tho its sad to see school classes being cut because of the potential threat posed by it. So more kids sit in the classrooms getting fat then going outside and learning something new.

In this case the boy planned this for months, the gun was in a safe, the parents had no knowledge that he had the combination.
He also had plans for a bomb and parts but it turns out he could not get them to explode properly. The reason for all this is still unknown.

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What you fail to realize is that there are 3 ways to gun control. I explained the 3, I'll do it again.

1. Weapon should be in a cabinet or safe and a key used instead of a # combination. If failed
2. Trigger lock on any weapons in storage. If failed
3. AMMO for said Weapon should be stored in a different location with a separate lock.

Even make an effort to keep the keys for said locks in random locations. Or keep it with you at all times.

IF they must use a # combination lock then randomly change it every 6 months.

Its pretty simple.

I think "We" Homo-sapiens/Humans/Man are just plain violent by primitive instincts and nature. It will take tens' of thousands' of years before mankind can evolve from that.

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in situations like this, everybody always wants to point the finger at everybody else. it's not the kids fault, video games are responsible. wait, no, it's the parents fault b/c they owned a gun. wait, it's the gun manufacturer's fault b/c they made the gun. i'm sorry but when you're in middle school, you know killing and shooting are bad things. i don't know of any middle school in georgia that doesn't go through some drug/violence class.

this case reminds me of the whole harry potter fiasco when it came out. i can't remember how many people were boycotting the movie b/c it involved wizzardry and they were against that. all any parent has to do is tell their children that IT IS FAKE/FANTASY/MAKE-BELIEVE/MADE UP/ETC.

if some child is growing up with the mindset that killing is ok, then the parents need to be held accountable for child neglect.
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Shooting at school reminds you to Harry Potter?
Thing is, kids are acting way older shaped them. Kids are not responsible and act without much thinking and expirience.

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It's things like this that make me wonder wtf went wrong from my parent's generation to mine.
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if by me you mean all kids in my generation, then I'll still have to disagree.

It's the parents, the previous generation, that teaches this new generation.

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