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I had been without power since last Wednesday so had I not been hearing any national news since then. This is the first time I have been able to use the Internet since then. It is amazing that when I turned on the TV at 1:25am that there was a new alert about Bin Laden's death.
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I had been without power since last Wednesday so had I not been hearing any national news since then. This is the first time I have been able to use the Internet since then. It is amazing that when I turned on the TV at 1:25am that there was a new alert about Bin Laden's death.
shit man were u caught in those tornadoes?
btw he aint dead until we see pics and not that photoshopped shut
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I had been without power since last Wednesday so had I not been hearing any national news since then. This is the first time I have been able to use the Internet since then. It is amazing that when I turned on the TV at 1:25am that there was a new alert about Bin Laden's death.
glad to hear you are ok.
Have been out in Huntsville earlier this week working and was in Decatur yesterday. Coming back out that way tomorrow but do not know where my job is sending me to help out as of now.......seen some really bad areas that were hit
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You know, I can't believe people are bickering about what happened in that house. This crap about how they "shot an unarmed man" or whether or not he was "waiving his arms in the air."
Don't forget that this guy was celebrating the deaths of not only 4000 Americans, but the people that he and his group butcher on a daily basis within Afghanistan and Pakistan. Their own people, our people; it doesn't matter. But its a problem that he might have been surrendering. Oh please.
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You know, I can't believe people are bickering about what happened in that house. This crap about how they "shot an unarmed man" or whether or not he was "waiving his arms in the air."
Don't forget that this guy was celebrating the deaths of not only 4000 Americans, but the people that he and his group butcher on a daily basis within Afghanistan and Pakistan. Their own people, our people; it doesn't matter. But its a problem that he might have been surrendering. Oh please.
You know ... He is murderer...I believe that.
But killing him without any trial and without any chance to defend himself makes people who killed him murderers also.
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Another rare instance when I am in agreement with mphill.
If the man had a gun in his hand, then I can understand the shooting.
But if he was unarmed, then it was merely an execution. We are supposed to be the 'good' guys, and an assassination of this sort is just plain counterproductive.
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I find it hard to believe that so many people actually would care that Bin Laden MIGHT have been "unarmed." Judging by his AK at his side in most if not all of his videos, I doubt that he was unarmed.
My problem is that people seem to have no problem accusing such a highly trained soldier of unprofessional behavior. I guarantee you that these people would demand retribution if I were to do the same to them. "How dare you accuse me of doing shoddy work?" How dare they?
Then some US Officials seem to want to put an emphasis on the two unarmed men that were shot. They rushed oncoming soldiers with guns. SEALS are trained to fire on aggressors as well as to refrain from harming innocents. I think the fact that only 4 were killed in the compound shows evidence of that training. Considering the way Bin Laden was shot, once in the chest and once in the head; That is a textbook Two Tap. The idea is that if he survives one shot he will not survive the second. Its lethal force, and force that is only used when warranted.
So to suggest that he was flailing his arms in surrender and they shot him anyways is disrespectful and it shows MOUNTAINS of our National Character. We are not willing to stand behind ANYTHING that we do. Not even when it involves a man who has killed thousands of ours, and thousands even tens of thousands of his own people. The Devil by modern regard, and we are worried that he might have been unarmed?
Not only do I find that unlikely, but I think that this transcends the normal playing field. The initial report from these men was that he was going for a weapon. Now some US Officials who are jealous for some reason that it wasn't under Republican watch want to make these men look back because they feel that it is attacking President Obama and they are questioning the reports. Some bureaucrats are going to cackle over the details, and they will believe anything that the survivors tell them (since we all know that they will all tell the truth, right?) because it will be political fodder and these Team Six Commandos will be cast into the muck so that they can make the current President look bad.
It is politics as usual.
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You know ... He is murderer...I believe that.
But killing him without any trial and without any chance to defend himself makes people who killed him murderers also.
I get tired of Liberal and Conservative crap. The conservatives are all about mowing down fields of people to get one man, and the liberals want to go in and ask the "bad guys" to please lay down their guys.
Neither option ever works, and sometimes the split second decisions have to be made by the people on the scene who are actually carrying out the orders and not all of us idiots back here who are watching from our well protected homes without a worry of danger. We are so isolated from it that these rosy views of such terrible people continue to persist.
The Liberal version of a Trial suggests that we parade him about allowing him a chance to preach from the stand, and his followers the chance to assemble violently to demand his release. Where would we hold this trial? America? HAH! Afghanistan? Unlikely.
Liberals are perfectly happy with this solution because the risk is offloaded to the poor folks that reside in the city where his "trial" would be held. After all, they would be calling the shots from their comfy chair without a worry of the violence that would surround such a trial.
However, these men went into the house and they killed Bin Laden because he was going for a weapon. They are not politicians. Why no body wants to believe a soldier, however, I can understand. They are just stupid followers right? Soldiers are lower forms of life, that is why we send them off to war, right?
Such disrespect disgusts me.
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For me, this is not about politics.
Unfortunately, there is not a lot of unpartisan information out there for us to absorb.
I was a sailor for 21 years. I know what our SEALs are capable of. I also know that they follow orders. What I find troubling is that prominent members of our government are on public record stating in no uncertain terms that the US government wanted Bin Laden dead.
So, when a SEAL team goes into a situation knowing that their upper chain of command wants the target dead, they are not going to expend very much thought or energy trying to take him alive, now are they?
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My problem is that people seem to have no problem accusing such a highly trained soldier of unprofessional behavior....
I don't question their professionalism.
I do question that they were sent to kill him.
Noone can convince me that USA could not catch him alive and put him on trial. Instead they assasinated him. This is wrong.
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True, we could have put him on Trial in a neutral location like Croatia.... Zagreb for example. That way the massive crowds that it would draw would be targets and they wouldn't be Americans.....
Now, I don't seriously mean to suggest that that would be a good thing. I mean to pose the question of "What do you think would happen at such a show trial? Should we put people at risk of retribution so that we can feel better?"
They will seek retribution regardless, as they already are doing. So why not give them an easy target, and an easy spot for Bin Laden to get onto his soap box. That sounds like a brilliant idea.
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