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Well I just ordered the 5750 Stang suggested, I put rush and 2 day shipping on it, so hopefully I get it soon!!! I did a bit of searching, and did see that 2.1 was compatiable, I only hope for once wiki and random forums are correct. LOL, Although with 2.0 being 1.1 compatable I am going to assume it is. If not, there is always returns, LOL. Now my question is, is 2 gb of ram in my system enough? I usually have few background programs running, and if something is running when I play wow, its just pandora.

What you have on your motherboard is a PCI Express X16 slot, physically all PCI Express X16 slots are identical. The PCI Express standard has a few revisions (1.0, 1.1, 2.0, 2.1 and 3.0 later this year) but they are all backwards and forwards compatible. A 1.0 card will work in a 2.1 system, and a 2.1 card will work in a 1.0 system. The main difference with these newer revisions is bandwidth, but a card such as this will not need all the bandwidth that a higher end card will. A card like the $700 HD 5970 with 2x gpus and 2gb of ram however, will be able to use all that

All of these cards will work just fine in your system. You built a great machine and its going to be very upgradable.

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lol I see you did the research by yourself instead of making me explain it, I wish more users were like you!
Too answer your other question, 2gb should be just fine but as you have a 64-bit version of windows 7 you can install as much as you like really.
2gb is generally the standard these days, and most gamers will run with 4gb. I wouldn't bother upgrading your ram just yet, you should wait till the new video card arrives and you get that set up. Dont forget that your integrated graphics was using your system ram as it had none of its own, so once you install this new card you will have more of your ram available to you. Not to mention the lower cpu workload. So adding this new 5750 will really make a big difference. If you find a good deal on some more ram or just want it for sake of it then go for it! But ram generally wont increase your FPS, its more about how responsive your system will be when you have a lot open. I'd say save the money for now and see how much of an improvement you get with your new video card and go from there

So, I am still glad I asked an *expert* I generally don't trust Wiki and yahoo answers, just because anyone can answer, and I think some people take pleasure in someone else's misfortune. I had assumed that the 2.1 would work, but I didn't wanna assume and hurt myself later on, like when I got a great card that wouldn't work LOL. Thanks for all of your help, im sure I will need more here soon
I am glad that I built a decent system in the eyes of an *expert* I tried to find something that would be able to upgrade a few times, I had hoped I could go longer without having to get new stuff, but heck if I can get 40+ fps what a hundred bucks. BTW, Happy Fathers day everyone!!!

Well remember that wikipedia is an open encyclopedia and a lot of the articles are going to be written by guys like us. It's easy for some know-nothing to go in and make crap up in some other section, but tech guys tend to take things seriously and don't like incorrect information floating around.

You built the right system, its just that you chose to use the integrated graphics which has its limitations. Generations before, there were no integrated graphics that could even play wow at 20fps, so at at least you went with the 780G which is quite good, as opposed to something like Intel's x4500, Nvidia's 7100, or an older AMD chipset as any of those would be simply useless and be lucky to obtain 8-12 fps in wow.

But really, no matter how good integrated graphics get, if you are going to play games you really need to have a dedicated graphics card. Integrated graphics will work for gaming as you see, but they borrow from your system memory, the use extra cpu cycles, and generally dont have the horsepower for any serious gaming. Gamers need a good video card, in fact its even more important than a really good cpu or lots of ram.

And happy fathers day to yours, as I don't have one

Ya I more or less figured I wouldn't be able to skimp by without a video card for very long, I was only hoping that since it had the same integrated as my laptop that it would keep up with my laptops 30-40fps, worst lappy gets is 15-20 when in raids or a very populated Dalaran. However, I have since read that the laptop chipset is a bit more powered since it is non upgradeable, that could be wrong but it does seem a bit logical, if nothing else. Ya, I have no children, not ready to be a mommy and Dad has been outta the picture for a long time, but hey someone reading this has one or the other I can bet!!! LOL

Yeah, Laptops dont really have great upgrading features on them. I have seen some laptop gfx cards, but they are just as expensive as a laptop.

For the kids and no significant other/spouse. Some of us are in that same boat. Last relationship I had, she played more Call of Duty 4 for PC than I did, lol.

Hey I play more WoW then my ex, but I could hold a job and he couldn't funny how that all works out. I have always been a geek, got my first computer, a windows 2.1 dos, when I was 10, it was broke and I fixed it, and it was pretty much good bye any chance of not being a geek. I used to get yelled at, when I would get an electronic, before I would even use it I wanted to tear it apart and see how it worked. However, before this the last desktop I had was a windows me, since then it has all been laptops, so I am a bit behind on all this over clocking and such. Not so sure I wanna learn it all, I could lose the very little life I have left. LOL In fact, in early November, when I should be out drinking cuz I will finally be 21, I will probably be playing Cata and kinetic, vs. drinking. Ah the life of a geek LOL

eh I'd argue that there is more socializing going on within gaming than there is outside these days. Especially given how few people really want to face down a couple hundred bucks in bar tabs with their friends when they can save the cash and just blow up stuff in Bad Company 2 instead. Gaming is no longer for the geeks these days, from the facebook mini games, to the likes of Diner Dash, to the multi million dollar big name titles, gaming really spreads across all lines these days. I didn't spend my 21st drinking, mainly because I spent my 18th abroad in a country where 18 is the legal age, so coming home to 21 here didnt really mean as much as drinking with people I hadn't seen in about 10 years.

And its never too late to lean overclocking, these days its just a few values in the bios. The big danger is that you get too involved and start thinking about buying a better heatsink, and then you need better ram...then your motherboard is holding you back...then the power supply, then you think...well you have all that you need a better chip and a better video card so you can get more! Then one day you wake up with about 2 grand out of your savings and a big pile of computer parts on your desk

My way of thinking is just get the most out of what you have, if you can squeeze 10-20% more performance out of your system then why not but if it comes down to spending $200 on more ram just to get that extra 10% more, then its not worth it. But to bump your chip from 2.3 to 2.6 is pretty straight forward and very little risk of instability but it can mean a decent performance boost so it might be worth exploring the option..who knows you might get lucky with your chip and be looking at 3ghz without any fuss

Well I just installed the card and the newest drivers, however im still only getting 12-16fps....HELP PLEASE URGH LOL.

well I'll assume you installed the card and plugged the monitor into it (you'd be surprised how many people install a new card and leave teh monitor plugged into the IGP ) so it sounds like you have an issue with wow itself (or any mods you may use) might be acting up and require a reinstall. At this point you meet and well exceed the recommended specs for wow and should be able to play at up to 1080p without issue.

Beyond that comes trouble shooting which means some annoying times ahead But such a significant impact on performance indicates its not likely a driver issue but either something seriously eating up your resources or something is corrupt. Do you get decent frame rates for a little while then it suddenly crashes downward, or are you just getting low frame rate regardless? Do you have anything else running in the background? Something like pandora or winamp shouldnt be an issue with your system, anything beyond that?

The frames never go above 20, mostly stay around 7-15. Restarted and had tried running with only antivirus in background, checked task manager and ram/cpu never even hit half way mark, but frames stayed low. Do I need to change stuff from default in ATI control panel? I have WoW settings at medium/good with the special effect stuff all turned off*death effect, etc.*

Have you tried any of your other games to see if they have improved in performance? Or any benchmarks for that matter? It honestly sounds to me like you'll end up reinstalling wow, but if your other games see no improvement then something is certainly wrong. And HD 5750 is not a card to be brought to its knees by wow unless something is seriously wrong

Try another game or benchmark that you can use as reference, if you see a big gain on those then you know its got to be wow and some reinstall/patch/tweak is all you will need to fix the issue. If your other games are having the same trouble with no gain in performance then there is a problem somewhere. Your cpu should not be bottle necking this card, at least not to a significant degree. And drivers shouldnt have this big an impact unless there is a known issue (which I am not aware of, and I read the release notes).

And just to clarify, what resolution are you running your game at? This card is perfectly capable up to 1080p in the games that you listed earlier. Also, can you download and run a copy of GPU-Z, which is a simple monitoring tool for graphics cards. It will let us verify that your card is running at the right speeds, and wit the correct specs.

I was able to fix it, unfortuantly the tv I have hooked up only has a refresh rate of 30 at max display. So I backed the res down, and increased the refresh rate to 60hz and now it is running between 30-70fps.