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Old November 20th, 2007, 02:02 PM
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Come on.... what do you expect. AMD turns over less than 1.5 Billion dollars in one quarter and Intel turns over 8 Billion. I mean seriously... what do you think AMD can do with 1.38 Billion dollars. The fact that they are THIS close to Intel is quite impressive. I'm surprised nobody can see that.

They've always been VERY small compared to Intel. Credit where credit is due; they're doing an awful lot with 18% of the income. I gotta wonder what the market would look like if it were the other way around.

They don't have the operational budget to compete with Intel. They have to spend money VERY carefully, and even at that they are struggling. Intel has a healthy budget to finance all sorts of projects. AMD has to focus on more singular goals.

Besides, part of the problem with AMD Dual cores has been the lack of true enthusaist motherboards. It appears that more are interested in the 790FX chipset. DFI is coming out with their offering soon.

I think in the end, with more platform options, and the fact that you dont need to upgrade if you've got AM2 already will help sales. Because many people are interested in other things rather than the apples to apples stuff these reviews represent.

I mean the fact that alot of these review sites have such poor grammar in many of their articles suggest that its just some person writing it without neccessarily any credentials.


But even so, this is how business works. You need to be able to compete with what you have, or you should just sell the business.

AMD needs something better. Even with this budget, its the truth, or they will go under. Either way it is possible.

What you don't understand is the common people don't know a lot about processors. When reviews like this come about, it gets passed down by the enthusiasts to the mainstream. Although it isn't always the case, when you have an advertising powerhouse like Intel its hard to tell.
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Sadly the Phenoms aren't a true competition for the Core DUo, only with massive price drops thay can achieve that so for a true mainstream war we need to wait for the Deneb



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Deneb 45nm will support the existing socket AM2+ and it will work in AMD 790FX and the rest of the 7x0 chipset family while you will have to chance the motherboard to make the Nehalem work

Deneb 45 nm quad core should come before Nehalem as the latest roadmap we’ve seen indicates that Intel won’t launch its native quad core CPU until the very last Q4 2008.
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I agree with fuzzy wuzzy. With 5 billion in debts, AMD is limited in spending their capital on research and development. Since they limit their research cost, they won't be able to defeat intel who has billion of dollars fund for their R&D!!!
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They are also limited on how much they can produce. For years they were criticized for not being able to make a deal with the biggest computer manufacturer Dell. When they finally got a deal with Dell they promised so much production to go to Dell that they ticked off their other OEMs because they short changed them. They are limited in the number of Fabs they have or can contract with. Building a new Fab costs billions of dollars. They may have to make a decision to build much less in house and concentrate on R&D.

Intel on the other hand has no problem with production. I read somewhere that they have a surplus FAB capacity. When Intel was in trouble a few years ago competing against AMD they were able to throw billions of dollars into R&D. AMD at that time had to instead put billions into FAB upgrades and building new FABs.
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Exactly!!! In this business, the one with the most capital will win!! I feel sorry for AMD though. I hope they can do something about it because intel right now is using their power over price!!
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That is why AMD is chartering more production off to third parties.

Note: I don't think I ever said AMD is in good shape. I'm just being positive, like so few people these days.
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This is largely the enthusiast segment. Quad Cores won't become mainstream for a bit.
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