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wow...GMX seems to be so stressed up these days...weird...he was way nicer before
i actually have no comment about Pressy and Northy...i've never used any of them...let alone OCing them...
yup, it's true what wwwww said...the XP'S FSB itself is way higher...add up the cache factor, and then the architecture...
the XP 3000+ is no way to be compared with the Celery...talking on stock clock basis...

Maybe so, but a 20% overclocked NW would be cooler than a 20% overclocked Prescott.

so?



I was refering to clock/pipelines.

ah, i really thought something was a bit odd with the numbers...hahhhahaa...it's morning already...haven't been asleep all night...sorry for the mistake

GMX relax bro. The way you said it made it seem like you were saying that prescott would always do better than northwood because of its larger cache. I wasn't making any statements about overclocking either core.

Think of it this way, the Data is ice on a New York street you have a Farrie (the Intel) and a Hummer (the AMD) they are Both on the same glare ice and the both have all four wheels on this ice. Light turns green and the Hummer is gong the Farrie is still at the line. Why the Hummer was built to do the job well the Farrie was built to look nice and be fast once it got going.

Problem is that Intel chips think the same as you walking around the world to cross the street AMD just cross the street. Intel have to be faster and have more cashe to do the same job in the same speed as an AMD people find this confuzing so the "P" rating was built this rating is a number that says this chip will do the job of a Pentium at this speed.

AMD is making their chips so good that they are under rating the P rating now as alot of their 939 sockets with do alot of jobs 2 times faster then the Intel chip that is the match.

Another draw back to Intel is the memory controller is still on their motherboard, AMD has moved this to be onboard the CPU as when you upgrade an Intel the Memory controller can't be upgraded with out an engineering degree. with AMD if you know how to change a CPU you can up drade the MC as it is one-in-the-same.

Look at some benchmarks. 2x, I don't think so. Intel holds AMD in terms of encoding and stuff. AMD does outperform Intel in some other areas by a large margin, but 2x, I don't think so.

Yeah an A64 is not 2x as fast as a comparable P4.

But he's right, a 3200+ will still be better than a 3.2GHz for a lot of things... depending on what you use it for.

Even though it's got slower speeds it'll beat the celeron in performance. Big time.

That is why I used top end cars, face it on a strait blacktop for 180 miles the 250,000.00+ sports car is going to win hands down.

But AMD is starting to gain ground in coding I remember when if you walked into a programing class with an AMD laptop even the teach would chuckel and now they stand in awh that an AMD can do the job. There are even big time movies being done on AMD systems, but yes there is still a place for Intel but I think things are going to even out over the next few years.

As I have said before I like AMD better but there is still a place for an Intel tower at my desk, just as you like Intel but for the time being there is a place for an AMD at yours 000. you think the AMD vs Intel battle is bad now give it about 5-6 more chip cores that is going to be crazy.

I agree with that. I am probably going to gather some ideas and build an AMD based gamming rig, with some SLI, and the like.

I like the MSI or Asus For SLI system main boards but BFG has a good one that is in the top five I think the ranking is the Asus

A8N-SLI Deluxe
Can't remember
MSI
Asus A8N-SLI or the Extreme
BFG

But as far as Money/options/toys go get the Asus deluxe, the MSI or the BFG

the other Asus is about the same cost and relay has now benefits and there is far less stuff to it and I remember people saying the second board was cramped and hard to work with.

Get your dad to buy a X2 4800+, 2x 7800gtx, 1gb of mushkin redline/ocz vx/ocz pc5000, 600w powerstream/pcpc somethingorother, ect prometia, DFI SLI-DRm, some seagate/raptor arrays. I'll definitely help you build that thing. Lets make it set some records!!

I think Intel has a few R&D people with an engineering degree......

besides, Intel has the technology already and are already implementing it.

and contrary to popular belief, Intel's qxp6 architecture is still superior to the k8 (your a64s). A pM @ around 2.4GHz consumes around 35W load. An FX55 @ 2.6Ghz consumes around 90W last I checked... Needless to say the pM would smash it at everything but encoding (for which an equivilent priced prescott will smash the fx55).

sufficed to say, Intel still has the best of both worlds (short/long pipeline intensive), AMD just has a nice balance in between.



The Asus sucks for OC, and what rankings? Certainly not any benchmarks.

Asus and their Dual BIOS makes almost impossible to mess up an overclock. I have seen benchmarks on overclocked Asus systems and they are fine (granted lower then some boards but not all). If you know what you are doing O/C ing an Asus is fine where it gets bad is the Newbs that use the AI O/C options.

Besides it is one of the board I like the MSI K8N's are the otherboards... I don't know what it is but every one I know has had bad mojo with BFG.

Well there was the over the edge tech I saw brake a MSI K8N over his head cutting himself up real good, but that dude was short a few sticks of RAM to start with... That was realy funny you had to be there, and I still want a copy of the security tape from that, the store wont sell me it